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Post by Pulpmariachi on Jan 10, 2006 23:46:55 GMT -5
It's like Tennis.
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Post by Quorthon on Jan 11, 2006 10:39:49 GMT -5
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Post by Pulpmariachi on Jan 16, 2006 23:03:55 GMT -5
Maybe.
However, this won the Best Picture at the Golden Globes, which it didn't deserve since the much superior and better constructed Good Night, and Good Luck. was nominated. I'm starting to hate this movie because of all the praise it's getting, which is getting old.
It's a good movie.
Not great.
Or amazing.
And I think it's getting all this praise so people can seem "accepting" of homosexuals or to just piss off conservatives.
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Post by ZapRowsdower on Jan 17, 2006 2:41:36 GMT -5
Pulp, would you say you feel the same way about this movie as I feel about A History of Violence?
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Post by frankenjohn on Jan 17, 2006 6:49:51 GMT -5
My dad called this movie "sick."
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Post by 42ndstreetfreak on Jan 17, 2006 8:52:03 GMT -5
My dad called this movie "sick." If my Dad had said that (and he wouldn't) i'd have given him a bit of a lecture! |
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Post by Pulpmariachi on Jan 17, 2006 10:25:34 GMT -5
Pulp, would you say you feel the same way about this movie as I feel about A History of Violence? Well...maybe, but only to a lesser extent. I mean, it is a really really good movie, but it is not as GREAT as everyone is saying it is. There was a couple pacing problems, but I didn't hate anything about the movie (example: you and History of Violence's screenplay, depiction of teens). But I didn't adore the movie either. I don't think it lives up the expectations that the public builds around it, though. And I think that if it had been made any other way it wouldn't be as well accepted. Going back to my point that people are seeing it and praising it just to say, "Hey look, we're accepting." So I guess yeah, to a lesser extent, I probably feel the same way. Why did you Dad say that? Like 42nd, I would've went off on my Dad for saying that. |
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Post by frankenjohn on Jan 17, 2006 16:27:48 GMT -5
Pulp, would you say you feel the same way about this movie as I feel about A History of Violence? Well...maybe, but only to a lesser extent. I mean, it is a really really good movie, but it is not as GREAT as everyone is saying it is. There was a couple pacing problems, but I didn't hate anything about the movie (example: you and History of Violence's screenplay, depiction of teens). But I didn't adore the movie either. I don't think it lives up the expectations that the public builds around it, though. And I think that if it had been made any other way it wouldn't be as well accepted. Going back to my point that people are seeing it and praising it just to say, "Hey look, we're accepting." So I guess yeah, to a lesser extent, I probably feel the same way. Why did you Dad say that? Like 42nd, I would've went off on my Dad for saying that. My Dad says everything's sick. Even the stuff that isn't. |
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Post by Quorthon on Jan 17, 2006 17:31:14 GMT -5
Pulp, would you say you feel the same way about this movie as I feel about A History of Violence? Well...maybe, but only to a lesser extent. I mean, it is a really really good movie, but it is not as GREAT as everyone is saying it is. There was a couple pacing problems, but I didn't hate anything about the movie (example: you and History of Violence's screenplay, depiction of teens). But I didn't adore the movie either. I don't think it lives up the expectations that the public builds around it, though. And I think that if it had been made any other way it wouldn't be as well accepted. Going back to my point that people are seeing it and praising it just to say, "Hey look, we're accepting." So I guess yeah, to a lesser extent, I probably feel the same way. Why did you Dad say that? Like 42nd, I would've went off on my Dad for saying that. I wouldn't really care either way if my Dad said that. People are entitled to their opinions, no matter how anyone disagrees with them. I'll only criticize extreme cases of mental rubbish. But I don't feel like getting into it. I almost went into a rant here, but deleted it all for a more compact post. I'm personally not interested in Brokeback Mountain, and after catching Nathan Lane on TV ripping on it, I can't get that outta my head--I care even less. It was that fuckin' funny. Some people like Milky Ways, some people prefer Snickers... |
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Post by 42ndstreetfreak on Jan 17, 2006 21:02:45 GMT -5
That hardly means the ones who like the other are sick though does it? Or that they do you or anyone else any harm!
Some people think white girls with black men is sick as well...Is that just an opinion?
Prejudical, backwards crud with not a single justification.
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Post by spacer on Jan 18, 2006 3:06:35 GMT -5
A very inspiring discussion. Haven't seen the flick but I see it has a great merit in causing some healthy turbulence and a gush of fresh wind blowing in the face of those who are so narrow-minded and malicious without cause. I'm really infuriated by the people who say to others that they should shut up because they allegedly don't know what they are talking about.  It's so narrow - minded and malicious and so much patronizing. Usually such a phrase is used when one has no arguments to support his version and attacks the opponent instead providing any arguments. |
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Post by 42ndstreetfreak on Jan 18, 2006 6:09:38 GMT -5
A very inspiring discussion. Haven't seen the flick but I see it has a great merit in causing some healthy turbulence and a gush of fresh wind blowing in the face of those who are so narrow-minded and malicious without cause. I'm really infuriated by the people who say to others that they should shut up because they allegedly don't know what they are talking about. It's so narrow - minded and malicious and so much patronizing. Usually such a phrase is used when one has no arguments to support his version and attacks the opponent instead providing any arguments. What arguements are there to defend the slaggging off (and even hate) directed at people due solely on who they sleep/fall in love with? There is NO discussion to be had. And until someone PROVES to me that ANY of the shit heel religions who denounce homosexuality and homosexuals are actually TRUE and are based on the word of any kind of God...those 'self justifying' pricks can shut up too. And quite frankly some of the trailer trash hetro scum who wear 'lynch the queer' t-shirts, whom I see spewing unwanted mutant kids into the world to rob 7-11 stores, do marriage, relationships and society more harm than any gay guys or gals...Yet they get automatic state and religious acceptance putrely because they AREN'T 'queers'. I know who I'd rather have living next door to me. |
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Post by Quorthon on Jan 18, 2006 11:43:35 GMT -5
No offense man, but you may be stereotyping those white trash losers the same way they stereotype gays or whathaveyou.
I've known white trash, and I've known some people with extremely narrow minds (I knew a guy that believed the Holocaust was a lie). Besides, as Louis C.K. (the comedien) says: "Nobody likes white trash. You could walk up to the most liberal hippie and say, 'hey, I just saw this guy, he was white trash,' and he'll say: 'HA HA FUCK THAT GUY!!'"
Some people think homosexuals are sick. Who cares? So long as they're not out there preaching that doctrine and attacking people, what harm is there? Let them wallow. Lecturing people will just encourage them to put up a wall against you to enforce their beliefs.
Ironically, forcing PC is not very PC.
You can't really go around saying that white trash "queer haters" are terrible people and all gays are super great. I know of a lesbian (formerly a friend of my wife) who's just an atrocious human being. She spends all her time with her lesbian, drug addict girlfriend and blows off her friends (my wife and her other friend), and ignores her Mother--and her Mom is counting on her, sometimes, to eat. On top of which, the lesbian girlfriend has admitted to fantasies about raping underage girls and threatened a guy with "I'm gonna rape your wife and daughter and kill them." The daughter is a 3-month old baby. So, here are two lesbians representing some of the worst that humanity has to offer.
Just because some people hate gays for pretty pointless reasons is not a reason to just jump up and say that all gays are superior to all white trash (or anyone that doesn't like gays). People should be taken as individuals, not the groups into which they can be associated. I've known a lot of great Christians, and some real crappy ones. I've met some great Metalheads, and some shitty ones. I've known about as many asshole gays as good ones, personally. (We have a good one on here.) I've known some fantastic Mexicans (some of the good ones are in my extended family), and some real shit. I've met some decent liberals, and I've met some real fuckin' psychos. I'm a Metalhead, but not like most Metalheads I've met--I don't have drug or alcohol addictions, and I don't smoke. I did come from a sort of broken home, however, and was one of the biggest losers ever in my High School. I also have a hard time believing that there are no gays with huge prejudices. Everybody is capable of prejudice. Whether or not the Democrats want to believe it--they seem to want us to think that only white people are capable of prejudice. We're the only ones conditioned to feel bad about it!
Sorry about the rant. Shit, I usually do this on the Metal Archives, not here! At any rate, I don't really care how people want to stereotype each other. Prejudice shows no signs of going away any time soon, especially with our state-sponsored prejudice in Affirmative Action. You can't change the way people think, and when you try really hard to, generally, you just encourage their old ways to remain.
I know that when I've been confronted by people that abrasive, I've done the opposite of what they intended with their lecturing. Like last time, I switched my vote from Nader to... oh, wait... nevermind! I'm a minority in this area these days, too!
(I've been listening to Judas Priest as I wrote this!)
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Post by 42ndstreetfreak on Jan 18, 2006 12:44:51 GMT -5
But I never said any of that.
I said that Hetro couples are not AUTOMATICALLY condemned for simply existing.
I said no matter how bad a hetro couple may be (I gave an example of a bad hetro couple...i never made a general comment on everyone) they STILL don't have the AUTOMATIC condemnation that a gay couple has...NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE LIKE.
But many do just that! As is OFTEN seen and heard.
And there is great harm anyway!
Shit! Nazi Germany did not start off killing Jews...it smeared and attacked them verbally FIRST.
fact is I care if someone is a total cunt. And if you are a homophobe (a blanket disdain for antyone, no matter what they are like, simply because of who they are!!) you're a cunt.
And saying some (as yet) mythical God is backing your views is a) no excuse and b) simply a shield to get away with saying things others would not get away with.
Whatever way you look at it...It's wrong!
Where is the harm in saying "Niggers are fucking animals"?
Surely there is no harm in that?
Surely there is no harm in thinking "niggers are sick if they go near a white woman"?
Well?
Luckily that kind of attitude IS condemned and not tolerated....The same thing cannot be said if you replaced "nigger" with "queer" in the above statements.
In fact many Black 'people of God' are as openly prejudiced against Gays as the KKK were gainst Blacks...But they get away with it.
In fact so called repectable Godly preachers openly say such things on TV and in print to huge audiences.
Saved purely because they say they're brand of MORONIC, MINDLESS, BACKWARDS prejudice is in fact 'the word of God'.
And as for no harm...it's PURELY because such bullshit is allowed and it's purely because people do shrug their shoulders that kids can grow up thinking it's okay to stone another child to death because they say he's Gay.
As happened a few years ago in an American school.
It ALL starts with words...the stones and the bullets and the gas comes later.
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Post by Quorthon on Jan 18, 2006 14:00:14 GMT -5
Well, just remember: Lectures do nothing to change things--especially the way people think. For most people, even the smallest change is a terrible ordeal.
For the most part, I try to stay out of all these arguments and ordeals. Like from American History X: "Life's too short to be pissed off all the time."
One of my top goals in life is to raise my son on the doctrine that he can do whatever he likes in life--so long as he doesn't hurt people, including himself. I don't want to live through him, just hopefully raise him to be a better person than me.
I agree with you that for the most part, words are the key to starting storms. But people tend to change in generations--not individuals; and often times, cultural ideals appear to be cyclical. Look again at racism: It was okay to look at blacks based on the color of their skin and to promote segregation, then we realized that was wrong and started looking at blacks as people and worked to abolish segregation. Back, now, again to Affirmative Action, where the whole goal is to look at the color of someone's skin, rather than their intellectual or personal highlights, or personal mental or physical abilities. Now, unthinking blacks (swayed by poor political influence) and proponents of Affirmative Action (these people have got to be closet racists) are practically promoting segregation. Martin Luther King Jr. must be spinning in his grave.
Remember that New York Times reporter--wait, perhaps being in the UK you didn't hear about it... It was a year or two ago. Well, at any rate, he was black--and found to be (I forget which) either plagerising or downright inventing news stories (might've been both) that he wrote and submitted to the newspaper. So intensley liberal was the newspaper that they stood by him--because he was black! There was mountains of evidence against the guy! If it was a white guy, they'd have canned his ass seconds after finding out how crappy a reporter he was!
With this level of racism and "reverse racism," you can't possibly tell me you're surprised that some people still think it's wrong to be gay! Ignorance is rampant these days! It's like a disease that spreads by word of mouth and internet glory-hogs. By right or left leaning news organizations dead set on giving a "certain kind of news," rather than straight stories. If only AIDS worked so well! Sure, all this shit can be angering, and frustrating, but what the hell can individuals do? Well, most end up either joining or starting groups of equal, but opposite, extremism! And every one of these groups inadvertantly give rise to opposing groups of equal, or more, extreme views.
For instance, even in me, every time I hear the word "PETA," I want a hamburger. Or a hot dog--those are made from like 7 different animals... Every time my hyper liberal coworker at UPS bombarded me with liberal propaganda, I moved gradually further away from supporting third parties, to voting Bush. (She actually told me Bush made me poor, when I knew full well it was mostly my own fault (bad with money, but now I have none, so whatever!), and that I was supposed to vote Democrat because, of all things, I was in a Union and that was what I was supposed to do. And she kept up the whole "Bush ruined the economy" rant, which I came to find out that the President of the US has little, if any, real influence on the economy--if only the guys running for President were able to admit that!) If you want to change the world, 42nd, sometimes (usually) it has to be subtle. And be careful not to let your fight be twisted into something evil! The Ku Klux Klan originally started out as a "Gentlemen's Club" of sorts, and only later was turned into the hate-driven, racist organization it is now.
The biggest problem with this planet, is that it's filled with people.
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