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Post by LivingDeadGirl on May 8, 2004 17:07:53 GMT -5
I agree w/ you 100%. And I guess now days even in horror movies people want happy endings, or somewhat happy anyway. But it most def. would've been better if they would've used the original ending.
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Post by Fenril on May 8, 2004 23:00:50 GMT -5
Hm. You have got quite a point about the endings. It's been a while since we saw a movie sporting one of those nasty twist endings like they used to do in the 70's or in the '80's, no?
What I wouldn't give for an ending as powerful as those in, say "Invasion of the body snatchers ('78 version)", "The dorm that dripped blood (lame slasher, but by god, THAT ending...)", "Blow out" and so on.
Frailty and The Ring came close to that, but not quite.
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Post by LivingDeadGirl on May 8, 2004 23:51:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I get tired of seeing all those happy endings all the time, it would be nice to have a change every now & then. I can't remember the last time I saw a movie, horror or otherwise that DIDN'T have a happy ending...
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Post by mightyalgo on May 9, 2004 12:13:12 GMT -5
Endings are the hardest part of a movie to get right. Even the fantastic (imho) Charlie Kaufman sucks at them.
Usually I find that there is usually a correlation between budget and the need for a happy ending, I don't see the ending of Ring as happy; they're forced to spread Sadako/Samara's message forever or die. This is because it's low budget, the original Evil Dead also has that kind of "oh, bugger" false resolution. There is too much tendency to focus on the people who survived being all happy ad safe; no one seems to give a toss about the mountain of dead extras being put into the morgue by everything that's happened.
P.S. Anyone seen the early Peter Jackson movies "Bad Taste" and "Braindead"? Not scary, but funny as hell.
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Post by Bartwald on May 9, 2004 14:29:03 GMT -5
For a good and cruel ending we should probably resort to books - no budget problems there. I just finished reading Graham Masterton's 'Unspeakable' and though it's not his best book, its last sentence blow hurts real bad!
On the other hand, I really liked what they did in The Ring - pretty cruel as well.
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Post by Heineken Skywalker on May 9, 2004 15:55:41 GMT -5
As far as recent movies with unhappy endings. What about the ending of THE DAWN OF THE DEAD remake? If you left before the credits, then okay, you saw a happy ending, but if not, the movie ends with the shit hitting the fan. I won't say how, as to avoid spoilers. I know I'm in the minority, but even though I saw MANHUNTER years ago, even before Anthony Hopkins was ever cast as Hannibal Lecter, I enjoyed RED DRAGON more. I just thought it was an overall better made movie. MANHUNTER had lots of atmosphere, but has really dated badly. It just "screams" 80's. "RD" isn't perfect, no, but it was a more enjoyable movie for me. And I think it'll hold up for a longer time. But that could be just me.  |
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Post by LivingDeadGirl on May 9, 2004 16:06:00 GMT -5
Ohhhhhh yeah, I forgot about the ending of Dawn of the Dead...no, I def. wouldn't call that a happy one!  Maybe after I've watched Red Dragon a couple more times I might decide I like it better than Manhunter, but like I said I've only seen it once so far. The atmosphere & darkness of Manhunter really stuck w/ me, I guess that's why I liked is so much. Oh yeah, & William Peterson...  |
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Post by clifford43 on May 10, 2004 6:14:33 GMT -5
I just saw Friday the 13th for the first time, and you'll all be pleased to know i found it really atmospheric and creepy. i think the reason is that Cunningham establishes the killer's point of view as the first person, so every time he points the camera at the kids alone in their rooms, in the bathrooms, on the beach, we have to ask ourselves, is this the killer watching them right now? The killer could be anywhere, everywhere! Great stuff. I thought it was much more complex and had a much better screenplay than Chainsaw Massacre, which was, in turn, much more freaky and terrifying - and it didn't fall into the trap that Elm Street (all the ones i've seen) fell into of giving the actors too tricky emotions to deal with... in Elm Street the actors have to react to seeing their friends die before their eyes, and for it to be scary, we have to believe its really happening (and we don't)... but by having the whole of Friday the 13th take place on one night, he gets past this problem of the real emotions involved, by having none of the characters find out about the kids that are already dead. It stops the real thing of death interfering in the fun of the horror movie.
Also saw Freddy vs Jason (was waiting till i'd seen at least one from each series... i'm new to both of them) and thought it was really great. Unlike many modern special-effects updates/sequals of classics, it did it really well. I thought it was super-cool. Loved that last fight. And i want to see more of that girl from Dawson's Creek who played the main girl, she's hot!
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Post by LivingDeadGirl on May 10, 2004 17:22:36 GMT -5
I agree w/ you on all points. Friday always scared me a lot more than Elm Street did. I still can't watch Friday by myself in a dark room! |
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Post by Bartwald on May 11, 2004 12:25:14 GMT -5
I agree with many of your points, clifford, but I still like A Nightmare On Elm Street series more than Friday The 13th series. Sure the Friday movies have suspense, but their screenplays are usually rather unimaginative if compared to an average Freddy movie. In my opinion, of course.
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Post by clifford43 on May 12, 2004 8:12:48 GMT -5
I know what you mean. Freddy movies will always be lots of fun - though the corny dialogue and hammy acting gets to me after a while.
How good was Freddy vs Jason! I could watch it again right now!
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Post by ZapRowsdower on May 12, 2004 12:04:30 GMT -5
I never got into the Friday the 13th series, I always thought of it as a cheap knockoff of the highly superior Halloween series. But I really enjoyed Freddy Vs. Jason.
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Post by Heineken Skywalker on May 13, 2004 7:13:28 GMT -5
I never got into the Friday the 13th series, I always thought of it as a cheap knockoff of the highly superior Halloween series. But I really enjoyed Freddy Vs. Jason. I agree with Smitty. Even though, except for the original HALLOWEEN, I'm not a fan of that series either. |
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Post by mightyalgo on May 14, 2004 11:56:40 GMT -5
I only watch the first 2 Halloweens. They're well good. Well linked too, after the additions made to the TV versions. COOOOOOL. The endings are good, as well. You could watch these and H20 as a trilogy and cut out all the really really shit ones. The storyline's really good that way, as it's Jamie Lee Curtis who was the only one who could kill him in the end (in the first two it was donald pleasance). Watch these three and I think you won't hate it too much. Shame to see Michael Myers is nowforced to do The Cat in the Hat tho'  A movie like that will probably make him go on another killing spree! ;D |
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Post by LivingDeadGirl on May 14, 2004 14:37:37 GMT -5
Shame to see Michael Myers is nowforced to do The Cat in the Hat tho' A movie like that will probably make him go on another killing spree! ;D What did he do in Cat In The Hat? |
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