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Post by Termination on Aug 17, 2005 19:27:15 GMT -5
Well, Sony's Blu Ray tech does store more info it clearly isn't any better (picture wise) than Hd DvD.
Phillips & Sony are the *cough* morons that decided to go against the dvd forum (a group of some 200+ companies that overall decided to back Hd-DvD)
Thats it, the decision making should have been left up to the forum, but no, Sony just had to say (Basically) "regardless the outcome of the forums vote, we'll still make Blu-Ray"
The PS3 will use Blu-Ray discs for movies & probably down the road a ways for select games. In order to view anything Blu-Ray, you'll need a Tv with HDMI inputs. So games can still be HD, but on regular dvd discs which the actual system decodes to display. The talk on the net is Sony will kindly add a Component input for those gamers who don't have HDMI televisions.
Warner Bros. are planning to release 60+ movies on HD-DVD by the end of this year. Sony's Blu-Ray won't even have a player out until 1/4 or 2/4 next year.
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Post by Quorthon on Aug 18, 2005 8:55:58 GMT -5
Did I confuse Panasonic and Phililps? Oops.
REQUIRE HDMI?? I don't even have a digital TV! Or for that matter, a flat-screen analog! Just plain old analog.
I'm obsolete in Sony's eyes, apparently.
But let's not look at it that way... Nahh, how 'bout this instead: I'm a sucker for classics and antiques. Now I look sophisticated having only analog!
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Post by spacer on Aug 19, 2005 1:49:09 GMT -5
Well, Sony's Blu Ray tech does store more info it clearly isn't any better (picture wise) than Hd DvD. Phillips & Sony are the *cough* morons that decided to go against the dvd forum (a group of some 200+ companies that overall decided to back Hd-DvD) Thats it, the decision making should have been left up to the forum, but no, Sony just had to say (Basically) "regardless the outcome of the forums vote, we'll still make Blu-Ray" The PS3 will use Blu-Ray discs for movies & probably down the road a ways for select games. In order to view anything Blu-Ray, you'll need a Tv with HDMI inputs. So games can still be HD, but on regular dvd discs which the actual system decodes to display. The talk on the net is Sony will kindly add a Component input for those gamers who don't have HDMI televisions. Warner Bros. are planning to release 60+ movies on HD-DVD by the end of this year. Sony's Blu-Ray won't even have a player out until 1/4 or 2/4 next year. Well, Term have to confess that I was? am? the enthusiast for Blu-ray discs because of its mammoth size. Blu-ray has over 200Gb while HD DVD only up to 50GB. I wasn't aware that the blue-ray disc needs such a futuristic back-up. I treated it just as the bag for data. The bigger the better. On the other hand, I imagine if I had a proper blu-ray disc reader like Cd Rom or DVD reader I have in computer now these problems wouldn't concern me. Because data can be converted from digital to analogue to be viewed on TV screen in many ways easily. I believe you can have troubles because you don't use comp to watch DVDs but a DVD player being analogous to VCR. I have an analogue TV like Quorth, convert the digital signal into an old-fashioned TV one and I watch DVDs, divxs on it without a big loss of quality that would bother me. So it really won't have any impact on me whether I'm gonna have HD DVD or Blu-ray. But I may be erring. Now its your turn for your arguments Term ;D |
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Post by spacer on Aug 19, 2005 2:30:39 GMT -5
Talking about brands:
Phillips is a symbol of shitty product to me.
I had even shitty Phillips cordless kettle which poured water with an unavoidable splash and water stream going down and bending to on cover instead in a stable flow to the tea mug .
On the other hand Panasonic is a high quality and a guarranty of a good product even if is cheap.
Especially in the audio market.
Sony for me is a reliable brand too.
I agree with Heineken all corps are evil but some produce very good products.
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Post by Termination on Aug 19, 2005 3:44:27 GMT -5
Well, Term have to confess that I was? am? the enthusiast for Blu-ray discs because of its mammoth size. Blu-ray has over 200Gb while HD DVD only up to 50GB. Toshiba/Nec's Hd-DvD has 45g across 3 layers & Sony's Blu-Ray, 50g across 2. 24g is all you need to have a full high-def 150min movie, not bad. I wasn't aware that the blue-ray disc needs such a futuristic back-up. I treated it just as the bag for data. The bigger the better. At first I didn't think having that much data on a single disc would be wise because of scratches, dust etc. Then came TDK with their super-coating for Blu-Ray & now this isn't an issue anymore. Play fetch with your dog & the disc will still work. ;D The amount of data they put on these discs, 45 & 50 is plenty enough. Not much difference between the 2 formats. On the other hand, I imagine if I had a proper blu-ray disc reader like Cd Rom or DVD reader I have in computer now these problems wouldn't concern me. Because data can be converted from digital to analogue to be viewed on TV screen in many ways easily. And then there was HDMI. People will have a go at it I'm sure, but fail in the end to copy Blu-Ray or Hd-DvD to analog. I believe you can have troubles because you don't use comp to watch DVDs but a DVD player being analogous to VCR. I have an analogue TV like Quorth, convert the digital signal into an old-fashioned TV one and I watch DVDs, divxs on it without a big loss of quality that would bother me. So it really won't have any impact on me whether I'm gonna have HD DVD or Blu-ray. But I may be erring. A lot of people will be alienated & feel like this next gen dvd can go straight down the toilet when they find out their tv doesn't support Blu-Ray or Hd-DvD when the support should be the other way around. Now its your turn for your arguments Term ;D I dunno, more like rants. ;D I have very few people backing me on Hd-DvD. People think Sony & forget about that little company named Toshiba. The funniest thing & deciding factor of which format will win the war all depends on how much porn one will have over the other. Most, if not all the major hollywood studios have decided which player they want to back up. 20th Century Fox, a recent addition to Blu-Ray will no doubt have a strong position with them sinse they own the distribution rights to all the Star Wars films. On the other side you have Time Warner, a company that has A LOT of titles with Warner Bros. & New Line backing Hd-DvD. Everytime I've read an article, its like tic tac toe with these studios. I mean its practically even. I don't know if this was pre-planned so both formats will fail or they actually choose what format to back up with good intentions, we'll see. AS it stands now, both formats may be at war, but the biggest concern, isn't even that.. its.. will you be able to watch this HD stuff at home? Chances are you fall into the 80%+ of people who cannot because of the Copyright Protection studios (not Blu-Ray or Hd-DvD) choosed to use. HDMI. |
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Post by spacer on Aug 19, 2005 5:14:55 GMT -5
Well, Term have to confess that I was? am? the enthusiast for Blu-ray discs because of its mammoth size. Blu-ray has over 200Gb while HD DVD only up to 50GB. Toshiba/Nec's Hd-DvD has 45g across 3 layers & Sony's Blu-Ray, 50g across 2. 24g is all you need to have a full high-def 150min movie, not bad. Well, my data sources about blu-ray capacity was not reliable have to admit.
The text below is concerned with it:
May 19, 2005 - TDK Develops 2X, 100GB Blu-ray Disc Prototype
TDK has developed a prototype Blu-ray Disc that can store twice as much data, and record it at twice the speed as existing Blu-ray Discs. The disc, unveiled at a TDK exhibition in Tokyo this week, can record data at 72Mbps, double the 36Mbps transfer rate for current Blu-ray Discs. "TDK increased the write speed by using a more powerful laser and making some changes to the material of the disc's recording layer," said Nobuyuki Koike a spokesman for TDK. "The first generation of Blu-ray discs can already record data faster than it is transmitted in high-definition TV broadcasts, so the faster recording speed isn't needed there. But it will be advantageous when content is copied from a hard-disk drive to an optical disc for back-up or archiving," said Koike.
At first I didn't think having that much data on a single disc would be wise because of scratches, dust etc. Then came TDK with their super-coating for Blu-Ray & now this isn't an issue anymore. Play fetch with your dog & the disc will still work. ;D The amount of data they put on these discs, 45 & 50 is plenty enough. Not much difference between the 2 formats. [glow=red,2,300]Well, to tell the truth I heard the same info about how durable are simple, now almost analogue CD discs. They were even advertise as such. I remember the ad where the heavy lorry overrun discs which were supposedly uneffected. Now we know from our experience and learn more and more how fragile they are. Some may even be damaged by microscopic fungi growing on it. The same might be with the new generation discs.[/glow] And then there was HDMI. People will have a go at it I'm sure, but fail in the end to copy Blu-Ray or Hd-DvD to analog. A lot of people will be alienated & feel like this next gen dvd can go straight down the toilet when they find out their tv doesn't support Blu-Ray or Hd-DvD when the support should be the other way around. If Blu-ray is so expensive and equipment demanding this will never become widespread and it will be counterproductive for the supporters of the system cause no massive production means no massive income. So I believe in the wisdom of the market will cure all the probs.Now its your turn for your arguments Term ;D I dunno, more like rants. ;D I have very few people backing me on Hd-DvD. That's true;
Jul 13, 2005 - Study Shows Consumers Prefer Blu-ray Disc Over HD-DVD
A new poll suggests that as the battle between Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD heats up, consumers overwhelmingly prefer Blu-ray Disc as their format of choice. In the poll, conducted by Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, a nationally recognized strategic polling firm, consumers were given a side-by-side comparison of the two formats. Out of the 1200 consumers surveyed 58% preferred Blu-ray Disc, 26% were undecided and only 16% preferred HD-DVD. Of those consumers who indicated that they are extremely interested in purchasing the next-generation format, 66% favored Blu-ray, 19% were undecided and only 15% preferred HD-DVD. Among the key reasons consumers preferred Blu-ray were the ability to play the discs in more CE devices, personal computers and gaming consoles, backward compatibility with current DVD media, disc capacity and the ability to record large amounts of high-definition or standard definition video and data.
People think Sony & forget about that little company named Toshiba. The funniest thing & deciding factor of which format will win the war all depends on how much porn one will have over the other. Most, if not all the major hollywood studios have decided which player they want to back up. 20th Century Fox, a recent addition to Blu-Ray will no doubt have a strong position with them sinse they own the distribution rights to all the Star Wars films. On the other side you have Time Warner, a company that has A LOT of titles with Warner Bros. & New Line backing Hd-DvD. Everytime I've read an article, its like tic tac toe with these studios. I mean its practically even. I don't know if this was pre-planned so both formats will fail or they actually choose what format to back up with good intentions, we'll see. AS it stands now, both formats may be at war, but the biggest concern, isn't even that.. its.. will you be able to watch this HD stuff at home? Chances are you fall into the 80%+ of people who cannot because of the Copyright Protection studios (not Blu-Ray or Hd-DvD) choosed to use. HDMI. [glow=red,2,300]Apr 21, 2005 - Sony and Toshiba in Talks About Unifying Blu-ray and HD-DVD Sony and Toshiba are reportedly in talks about the possibility of unifying their next-generation optical disc formats into a single unified standard. After reaching a basic agreement that a unified standard would be desirable, they are now trying to agree on a hybrid format that takes advantage of each standard's strengths. Toshiba has acknowledged that they are in talks with the rival camp and related parties, but deny that any deal is in the works. The company recognizes a single format is best for consumers, but that doesn't necessarily mean that executives are prepared to agree on a hybrid format. Sony also denied anything had been decided, stating that the talks are part of the company's efforts to bring the "best experience" to the consumer, and any deal, if it happens, is likely to result in technological cooperation in future developments for Blu-ray. While a final deal is still far from certain, both camps are well aware that a single unified format would be in their best interest as a drawn-out fight would likely confuse consumers and hinder the industry's development. [/glow] |
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Post by Quorthon on Aug 19, 2005 9:24:32 GMT -5
Aw shit! I should've looked up that article--it was one similar to what Spacer wrote there in the red. TOSHIBA was the company I was thinking of! Not Panasonic or Phillips!! The article I read about this was quite a while ago and on www.ign.com (mostly a gamer site) and of course, the next DVD format is a big deal on there. AS for my electronics (as Spacer pointed out which he liked and disliked), I've only ever had problems with Aiwa. I bought an Aiwa stereo ages ago and the remoted didn't work so I returned it. My current Aiwa stereo developed a nasty problem with the CD player--it wouldn't read CD's, even new or clean ones, almost 80% of the time. I figured out a way to trick it into working and I'm the only one that can generally get it to cooperate. There was even a lawsuit filed against the company which I got $50 for because the problem was in SEVERAL models of their stereos. During our "big move" it was unplugged and unused for 3 months--now it works again with no problem--go figure. I have a Philips-Magnavox Discman that I've had for about 7 years that's been beaten, dropped, squished, smashed, wet, baked (in the sun), and generally abused--and it still works. So I've never had a problem with that company. My Samsung DVD/VCR occasionally "hiccups" during long DVD movies. It'll just pause for a second or two during the movie, but almost always during a scene or chapter change. Very weird. And the VCR randomly ate my Silence of the lambs when my boy picked up the remote, aimed it, then mashed the holy hell out of the buttons doing god-knows-what and causing the VCR to have a "Lamby" snack. |
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Post by spacer on Aug 19, 2005 12:30:11 GMT -5
Quorthy wrote Today  : Anyway we're both lovers of analogue TV sets. How unusually extravagant we are ;D We have even more common traits ;D |
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Post by Termination on Aug 19, 2005 12:53:31 GMT -5
If storage matters; HVD (Holographic Versatile Disc) "Holographic recording technology records data on discs in the form of laser interference fringes, enabling discs the same size as today's DVDs to store more than one terabyte of data (200 times the capacity of a single layer DVD), with a transfer speed of one gigabyte per second (40 times the speed of DVD)." www.optware.co.jp/english/ Also, I'm not sure if this is the disc, but there is one that the laser reads from angled grooves giving it the same storage capacity. Problem is, after 492 hours have been recorded you have to get another disc.  |
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Post by Quorthon on Aug 19, 2005 13:21:13 GMT -5
Quorthy wrote Today : Anyway we're both lovers of analogue TV sets. How unusually extravagant we are ;D We have even more common traits ;D Old fashioned and PROUD! |
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Post by spacer on Aug 22, 2005 3:23:29 GMT -5
If storage matters; HVD (Holographic Versatile Disc) "Holographic recording technology records data on discs in the form of laser interference fringes, enabling discs the same size as today's DVDs to store more than one terabyte of data (200 times the capacity of a single layer DVD), with a transfer speed of one gigabyte per second (40 times the speed of DVD)." Problem is, after 492 hours have been recorded you have to get another disc. That's what I need right now, man.  Especially, having crammed my 120 GB HD ;D Yes, Sir !!! |
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Especially, having crammed my 120 GB HD ;D