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Post by slayrrr666 on Nov 28, 2005 14:10:29 GMT -5
I kinda liked House of Wax. It's rated R, so that helps out, plus it hd some good FX and killed off that bitch Paris Hilton early, just like in Nine Lives. At least in Wax, we saw it.
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Post by Heineken Skywalker on Nov 30, 2005 9:36:45 GMT -5
As luck would have it, SCREAM happened to be on HBO last night, so based on this thread I gave it a second shot. And you know what? I still didn't care for it.
I'm amazed that some of you guys thought this movie was scary. Even with it's R-rating, I thought it was pretty light for a horror movie. Okay, so there's some blood, but blood without atmosphere, which I also didn't find much of, isn't that effective. The killer's mask/costume also aren't scary, and the fact that the killer gets kicked in the balls or generally smacked around by almost all his victims before he gets the upperhand certainly brings down the fear factor. How can I be scared if I'm busy laughing at the killer's inneptness?
I usually like references/homages to other movies, but here it gets a bit tiresome as there's just way too many obvious ones. "Hey, this is just like that movie ___________!" (Fill in the blank.) I prefer my movie references to be a little more subtle, like in THE HOWLING. Linda Blair's cameo as a reporter was a nice touch. The constant name dropping of other horror movies wasn't clever.
I am going to raise my original rating from a 4/10 to a 5/10, but only because I've lowered my expectations on this second viewing and it's really not a terrible movie, but it's also not a great horror movie.
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Post by Termination on Nov 30, 2005 10:33:49 GMT -5
I'd rate the film 2/4 stars. (average/alright)
A lot of horror films are not scary. This was one of 'em. Its so easy to tell if something is gonna happen around the corner in horror films these days. Their more about entertainment than being scary which is alright I guess. I can't even remember the last scary film I saw from the horror genre, oh wait yes I can. Final Destination.
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Post by Quorthon on Nov 30, 2005 11:08:38 GMT -5
I didn't find the Final Destination films to be scary. Just entertaining, and slightly ludicrous.
I haven't seen a horror film in ages that actually scared me. For one, as I've said before, I'm overly desensitized and used to horror violence. That's why I thought House of Wax, R-rated or not, was hum-drum and nothing new. And Saw, as we all know I believe, just plain sucked.
The last movie that actually delivered some good scares for me? (I'm gonna get shit for this as everyone knows my intense hatred for PG-13 horror/thrillers) Signs. Even the second time I watched it I was edgy. And I knew what was gonna happen!!
Scream is a decent film, but not scary--and Heineken's right--it was really weak on the atmosphere. And I'm big on atmosphere. Once again, this is why I believe Evil Dead to be the best horror film ever made--The DVD ways like 5 pounds--because of the atmosphere.
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Post by Heineken Skywalker on Nov 30, 2005 14:31:17 GMT -5
The last movie that actually delivered some good scares for me? (I'm gonna get shit for this as everyone knows my intense hatred for PG-13 horror/thrillers) Signs. Even the second time I watched it I was edgy. And I knew what was gonna happen!! Scream is a decent film, but not scary--and Heineken's right--it was really weak on the atmosphere. And I'm big on atmosphere. I won't give you any shit about SIGNS. Even if it was PG-13, it still had way more atmosphere and an overall creepiness that was nowhere to be found in SCREAM. And if you're watching SIGNS in a decent home theater with the speakers kickin', that's icing. The sound effects from the rear speakers in some scenes will make you look around nervously. |
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Post by slayrrr666 on Nov 30, 2005 14:41:18 GMT -5
I'm big on atmosphere. Once again, this is why I believe Evil Dead to be the best horror film ever made--The DVD ways like 5 pounds--because of the atmosphere. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! That was hilarious, Q. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by spacer on Dec 1, 2005 8:47:51 GMT -5
Heineken, everything what you said about Scream I would say about the Signs.
In short - decent but nothing special.
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I think that many people are so desensitized (I am talking about the phenomenon not about particular people) nowadays that they need the real thing - snuff movies to be scared, and even that might be too weak experience, probably taking part in the slashing or at least feeling blood droplets hitting one's skin would satisfy contemporary viewer?
Not so long ago I saw Friday the 13th it being the classic scary 80's movie and I wasn't scared at all, I was disgusted by the dull scenes, repetitive cliches and stupidly smiling actresses whose only purpose was to wait for a razor or a knife.
Scream gave me much more intelligent gore and action experience than this flick.
Sorry guys but smut and gore alone with easily predictable plot will never arouse me.
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Post by Quorthon on Dec 1, 2005 10:00:04 GMT -5
So........
Spacer's a snuff fan, huh?
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Post by spacer on Dec 7, 2005 3:20:00 GMT -5
Not at all, man!
I hate this criminal scum!!!
I deeply denounce that atrocities.
But the fact is that many people are unable to be scared by ordinary horror flick.
That's why I used such a controversial comparison.
People are bombarded with TV news which are very gory and real or tell stories so horrible making any imaginary horror story quite ordinary and not scary.
I think the genre needs new fresh ideas and partly in my opinion such solution might be Scream.
I think such pseudo documentary horror as Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake was a new interesting input too.
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Post by Quorthon on Dec 7, 2005 10:08:50 GMT -5
I think Scream is part of the reason horror films aren't scary anymore. Scream led to endless imitators--all of which are identical: Weak, toned-down, neo-slashers. These movies are never scary. Scream also pointed out how formulaic the typical slasher film is--and those imitators only fed that beast--they stayed formulaic and predictable. Pretty soon, almost every horror film following Scream was at least half-inspired by it and was just another Neo-Slasher.
That was one of the extremely few good things in Saw: It wasn't just another Neo-Slasher (tired of me using this term yet?), and for once, characters weren't just being hunted and killed one-by-one by some mysterious foe until the tables were turned and the foe was killed--that it, however, what the remake of House of Wax was. It's too bad Saw had so many other problems leading to it's immense suckage.
I'll also use this time to mention that, for whatever reason, modern Hollywood "big budget horror" gore never quite looks as good as the gore we see in 80's horror or much more underground flicks. I think Hollywood's desperate reliance on expensive special effects is one of the things ruining that gore. House of Wax's brief gore paled in comparison to the quality of the human messes in, say, American Werewolf in London. Digital gore is not cool. The red colors are too damn bright and shiny, I guess is one of the problems I have.
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